I was relieved to hear that someone (the caller) feels as annoyed as I do at the overly repetitive criticism about sexism in the TOS episodes. It’s like criticizing portrayal of Black people in pre-Civil Rights art. You might as well mention every time a character takes a breath or other matter-of-fact details. Yes, we all know that the women were not necessarily given the respect that they deserved decades ago. You mention it once or twice, and then you move on. If it ruins your enjoyment of the episode so much, then maybe TOS isn’t for you. Mentioning it every time it happens really gets tiring.
P.S. Or, if you are going to make a point about the treatment of women in TOS, then actually make a thoughtful POINT about it, as opposed to just being self-righteous and calling people names—“sexist.” It’s not interesting and sheds no light so simply scold the TOS writers and producers as “sexist.” Yes, they were sometimes sexist. So what? Have you got a point to make about it, besides you being a better, more enlightened person than they were? If so, that might be worth hearing. It would certainly be more interesting than constantly hearing those people and their work labelled “sexist.”
As a possessor of “lady parts”, I am rather glad that two white men with a podcast willingly and honestly address the sexism present in TOS without making excuses. I think your points are valid in this podcast and in the podcasts that it is mentioned in. It did exist, and still does in some ways. Thank you, Ken and John!
Thank you so much, Eryn. We always thought from the beginning that the importance of Star Trek necessitates that we talk about ALL aspects of the show – even the ones that some would like to downplay or forget altogether.
I just came to this page to say the same thing…. and here it is, 11/8/16, the day I’m hoping we’re electing a president with “lady parts”. Sexism is still a valid thing to point out, even when it was a societal norm at the time.
Besides is own book , he even got to pen the forward in the DS9 Novelization Adaption of the sequel !
I was relieved to hear that someone (the caller) feels as annoyed as I do at the overly repetitive criticism about sexism in the TOS episodes. It’s like criticizing portrayal of Black people in pre-Civil Rights art. You might as well mention every time a character takes a breath or other matter-of-fact details. Yes, we all know that the women were not necessarily given the respect that they deserved decades ago. You mention it once or twice, and then you move on. If it ruins your enjoyment of the episode so much, then maybe TOS isn’t for you. Mentioning it every time it happens really gets tiring.
To not call it out would imply condoning it.
P.S. Or, if you are going to make a point about the treatment of women in TOS, then actually make a thoughtful POINT about it, as opposed to just being self-righteous and calling people names—“sexist.” It’s not interesting and sheds no light so simply scold the TOS writers and producers as “sexist.” Yes, they were sometimes sexist. So what? Have you got a point to make about it, besides you being a better, more enlightened person than they were? If so, that might be worth hearing. It would certainly be more interesting than constantly hearing those people and their work labelled “sexist.”
As a possessor of “lady parts”, I am rather glad that two white men with a podcast willingly and honestly address the sexism present in TOS without making excuses. I think your points are valid in this podcast and in the podcasts that it is mentioned in. It did exist, and still does in some ways. Thank you, Ken and John!
Thank you so much, Eryn. We always thought from the beginning that the importance of Star Trek necessitates that we talk about ALL aspects of the show – even the ones that some would like to downplay or forget altogether.
I just came to this page to say the same thing…. and here it is, 11/8/16, the day I’m hoping we’re electing a president with “lady parts”. Sexism is still a valid thing to point out, even when it was a societal norm at the time.